• <Serenity> NA | Whitemane | Tu,Wen,Thr 7pm-10pm PST

    <Serenity> is currently recruiting fun, team oriented players to join our raid roster. MC - 50 min clear & 1 hr BWL. LF Mages but open to all exceptional, consistent players. Raid nights: Tues, Wed, Thurs 7-10PM. PST!

    PM or mail "Hitch" in game
    or join our pug discord https://discord.gg/fS9EuyG and ask about joining

    posted in NA Guilds
  • World of botcraft

    There is alot of hate for bots, but if bots are here to stay. Then what if Blizzard made them a part of the game? Imagine if in Classic+ you could buy bots from your friendly neighbourhood engineering goblin.


    Your very first bot would not be good, some cheap rubish like this.


    The first bot would be very simple. It would have low speed, poor stats and gathering potential.
    Maybe getting your first bot was part of a quest to go to deadmines, or other dungeons for parts.

    There would be more expensive bots to buy. Some bots you could even upgrade, or equip new tech, tools or armor.

    9-60 will catch all the black lotus or arcane crystals you need.

    X-21 will do it faster!

    7:XT will destroy that other bot and take his farm spot.

    74A was upgraded and now run away to a new farm spot if it detect nearby treats.

    Fishbot will fish for you all night long.

    Blizzard would do adjustments to drops to compansate for the bots. To keep them from flooding the auctionhouse with way to cheap items. Guilds would fight to control good farm zones for their bots. Maybe we could even have a large bot war.

    When your using the bot you can't play on your character and the automated part is operated from your client, and it's up to your friends to keep the bot safe if you farm in potentially dangerous spots. If the bot dies it will respawn after a few minutes just like any other npc. To enemy players the bot will show as neutral and will not attack unless harmed, but can be aggressive to other bots. Basically the bot can work as a improved npc that makes the gaming world feel more alive, but takes zero extra server processes.

    If Blizzard like to make smartphone games now. Maybe they could also make a smartphone application for the bot. To display information. In-game chat, bot status, looking for group notifications.

    If it's only added from later phases it would give players some new things to do when thay are only logging in for raid. farming for those tech upgrades for the bot and working on upgrades and finding good farm spots.

    posted in General Discussion
  • Classic macros

    A collection of classic macros.
    Download and open in Notepad, or just click on the files and copy from the Github webpage.


    posted in Addons & Macros
  • RE: Warlock Pet Massive Threat Trick - A PSA

    disappointing. from my memory the imp isn't much of a tanky demon. have you found any use for this?

    posted in Theorycrafting
  • RE: Warlock Pet Massive Threat Trick - A PSA

    Could be good for gathering mobs while aoe farming. If you demonic sacrifice the pet all the threat is lost, or all threat is transferred to player? and do health funnel gain any from +healing or +damage? Im thinking master demonologist, tier 2 bonus and felhunter should stack plenty of resistance for easy aoe farm on high level elementals.

    posted in Theorycrafting
  • RE: Warlock Pet Massive Threat Trick - A PSA

    This sounds pretty cool. Does the pet or the master gain the threat?

    posted in Theorycrafting
  • RE: Your Garbage Leveling Guide

    Sorry you didn't like it. While it is solo it doesn't mean that we want you to skip the fun dungeons. Temporarily grouping with people is the goal for an enjoyable leveling experience.

    posted in Off-Topic
  • RE: CWL WoW: Classic Hardcore Mode Rules

    Can you sell things on the AH and just not buy things or no AH at all?

    posted in Hardcore
  • RE: Warrior DPS Gear List

    The best warrior sheet can be found in the warrior discord. However we have a tool that will be coming out very soon that will solve issues like that for you. Stay tuned!

    posted in Warrior
  • Topic Tuesday - Missing the forest for the AV's

    PVP, What a Grind

    There's a sickness that has spread on the more competitive servers. The quest for honor and ranking has turned one of the best aspects of the game - PVP, into one of the worst. It's a simple problem. With how the system is structured, AV is the most efficient honor grind. And since all servers on each region share queues there can't be a serverwide decision to control how honor is ground out or to cap it. With that situation everyone is stuck firmly inside the prisoner's dilemma. The grind is horrible and I don't see it getting better unless Blizzard changes the structure of the system or the balance of honor gained.

    Unfortunately we are working against the player's modern outlook on the game - namely that everyone always will take the most efficient method to their goal, regardless of the fun factor. And the second modern outlook is the extreme quest for optimization, which I will go into here. Hopefully maybe I can try to convince some of you to relax, chill out a little and actually try to enjoy the game before you burn yourself out completely or have actual negative health effects because of how you did the honor grind.

    Extreme Server Competition

    Some servers, especially the more populated and competitive ones have extreme numbers involved in what is needed to push ranks. Obtaining rank 14 is an insane amount of work that seriously concerns me about what someone needs to do physically to make it happen (presuming they don't bot their way there). But setting 14 aside, ranks 13, 12, 11, or even 10 have crazy competition. It is way more than it ever was in Vanilla on any server. We are talking grinds 7 days a week for over half the day or even more. This isn't casual. It's not even hardcore. It's just nuts. Rank 10 isn't even that high but you still have to do that level of grind to get it? What???

    Competition even for Mid Ranks

    So let's talk about rank 10. The reason people go for it is because it unlocks the helm and shoulders for the blue pvp items. And well, some of those set bonuses are really good. Higher ranks unlocks different items which then gives more slot options for which pieces to use for optimizing sets. And it is especially true for warriors. Of course warriors are just sliiiightly competitive aren't they.

    set bonus.png

    An optimized set will take advantage of the 2 piece bonus because that is a lot of AP to tap into. But all you need is 2 pieces. Do you really need rank 10 for the helm and shoulder options? For helm you are already going to be wearing Lionheart so rank 10 is only about the shoulders. Well let's compare.

    Looking at an example set with PVP or BWL gear specifically for the slots in question, here's a gear set that doesn't use the PVP shoulders.

    Up to Rank 8

    no shoulders.png

    And now lets see the set with shoulders that requires rank 10.

    Requires Rank 10


    So effectively because of the shoulders we can now juggle the Drake Talon Pauldrons over to Chromatic Boots. Here's the breakdown for stat difference:

    Rank 8 --> Rank 10

    • 14 AP
    • 0.55% Crit
    • 1% Hit

    It's definitely an upgrade. How worth it is it to grind to get it? It's a personal question. But just keep in mind the crazy amount of time and mental energy you are going through for it. There's also a large opportunity cost too. You could be leveling alts which means more profession options. You could be grinding for gold for consumables. To me it's not worth it, but I don't do hardcore grinds like that for minimal return. For you it might be different. Don't get blinded by the absolute BIS of a situation and push yourself too far and hate the game and yourself by doing it. Just keep in mind the perspective of what you gain and how much effort it will take to get it. And don't ruin the game for yourself just to do it the absolutely most efficient way!

    posted in Shows